From Charles Lyell to J. D. Hooker [31 May 1865]
My dear Hooker
I send the correspondence1 I am sorry to say that I think the effect of Lubbock having for more than a year had the opportunity of telling his own story to Huxley & Busk (& probably to many others) will make them always misunderstand the matter.2 As to the general reader of Lubbocks book he has taken good care that he shall do the same—3
All one can do in such a case is to let those friends who know one be aware of what happened. I have not had much to do with Lubbock & the affair does not make me desire to be intimate.
sinly yrs | Cha Lyell
[Enclosure 1]
53 Harley Street
May 25. 1865
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Dear Lubbock,
I have received a copy of your “Pre-historic Times” marked “from the author4
I like so much what I have seen of it & expect it to do so much good to the cause that it is a real disappointment to me to have to say that I think, after the full reply I gave both written & in conversation to a former letter of yours, that the wording of your note at page 10 of the preface about my borrowing of you without acknowledgement strikes me as unfriendly in its tone & as a decided overstatement of the facts.5 It omits entirely the explanation which I gave you of what induced me to put in the note at page 11 which you point to as irreconcilable with the text especially at page 16.6
Your words are that I have “made much use of your earlier articles in the Nat. Hist. Rev. frequently indeed extracting whole sentences verbatim or nearly so.” Now there are only three passages in which I have borrowed even any expressionsfrom you.
The principal of these, that to which you particularly call my attention at page 16. (Lubbock p. 496) you will find fully given in a paper by Morlot printed at Berne in French in 1859 long before you first went to Denmark. (Morlot–Societé Vaudoise des Sciences Naturelles Tome VI. 1840 p. 276).7 With Morlot’s paper I was familiar when it first came out; indeed he sent me his MS of this & another paper that I might read them before they were printed. The same memoir was republished in English by the Smithsonian Institution 1861. (p 14)8 before yours came out in the Nat. Hist. Rev, but I found with surprise as I told you before that though I have not borrowed a single fact or inference in this case from you there are some phrases which prove to me that I must have re-worded it after I had seen your paper. The next sentence (Lyell p 11. Lubbock p 491) relates to the duration of the bronze age as inferred from the number of bronze implements found & a gradual progress in the arts which they imply— I feel persuaded that I got the proofs of advance from the Danish archeologists but perhaps the corroboration founded on the numberof the instruments I may have derived from your paper & it is the only single point which I believe you can make out in my second chapter which was not drawn from sources independent of you & antecedent to your first tour in Denmark.
In speaking of the skulls being like those of the Laplanders, their round shape & other characters, all given by Morlot I may have afterwards introduced from you the “prominent ridge” on the forehead.
In another case you may have deceived yourself by supposing that the coincidence as to the dimensions of the shell-mounds (Lyell p 12 Lubbock p. 493) implied that I borrowed from you, but you will find on comparison that I took the numbers from Morlot (Societé Vaudoise etc p 275–Smithsonian Inst p 13). which differed from yours; thus I give 1000 feet & you 900.
What I say of the bison & other Mammalia & of the Auk & Capercailzie was all from Danish sources & is given by Morlot, the words are not yours.
I mentioned to you that I conversed with Prof. Claparede9 in 1859 & that I have a letter from him dated December 8. 1859 in which he gives me expressly for my use an abstract of what had been written by Steenstrup whom he had seen, & by Forchhammer & several other Danish antiquaries & naturalists whose papers he had read in the original language “Oversigt over det Konglike Danske Videnskabernes Selskabs Forhandlingen 1848–1851.10
I have already told you that my second chapter, the only one in which there is any coincidence between your Articles published in 1861–6211 & mine, was set up in type before I read your Memoirs. It remained in type nine months while I was writing & printing the Glacial & Darwinian portions of my book & while I was travelling in Italy in 1862. During this long interval several new numbers of Keller’s “Pfahlbauten”12 appeared & I inserted from them & from your Danish paper a few additions & corrections without disturbing the paging. I could not make up my mind to break up the type of half my book & to delay its publication in order to introduce some new views & reasonings which these fresh contributions to science suggested. With difficulty I got room for the note in which I was determined to call attention to your “able papers” stating, what I meant as an apology for not doing justice to your reasoning that mine was written first. I had not room to explain more, but it would certainly have been better if I had done so at length in the preface As to my not citing you where I borrowed the expressions above alluded to, it was truly as you say “an inadvertence”. I had forgotten it because I regarded those few words taken from you as absolutely unimportant
Let me now ask you whether there is a single fact or idea taken from your memoirs which was not antecedently published by the Danes & Swedes; if you can point out none surely it could not signify to the public or you which of the two authors borrowed from the other. But your note implies not only that I have frequently borrowed from you but that the unacknowledged obligations were of such value as to call for remonstrance & a disclaimer on your part of having been indebted to my publication.
I said in a former letter that it was not unnatural that you should allude to the anachronism of my note as compared to my text as it might possibly lead some few readers to suppose you had taken from me; but I regret & feel much surprised that you did not insert the short sentence which I gave you, saying ‘that my early chapters were written long before I read your paper & that a few additions & corrections only were inserted from it, because I could not make up my mind to recast my work after so much of it was in type, which would have caused a serious delay of publication.
When you say that “you had reason to believe that I regretted the inadvertence of my statement” in the note at p 11. no reader will imagine that this was after I had given you frankly a full explanation both written & personal of what had occurred. They will simply suppose that you had learnt from a third person that I was sorry that the contradiction of dates in my note & text had been found out.13
I shall take a copy of this letter as I wish to show it to some of friends but I will wait a day or two to know whether you wish to have any explanation circulated with it, or intend to allow any more copies to be sent out by your publisher with the note at page 10 uncancelled or unmodified14
Believe me | dear Lubbock | Yrs. truly. | Cha Lyell
[Enclosure 2]
Chislehurst
29 May/65
My dear Sir Charles
I have read your letter with much surprise & regret. You will find on examination that the three passages to which you refer are by no means the only ones in your book which agree exactly or almost exactly with mine. Compare for instance among others the passage about bronze castings in P. 10 that about the wild swan in P. 15, that about the Danish forests in P. 16. &c.15
The sentence about grain in Morlots paper to which you refer me bears no resemblance to mine.16
Of course we have neither of us any claim to originality in the matter. You might have obtained all the information in your Chapter on Danish Archæology, from Danish sources & from Morlots paper; but it is evident that you did not do so.
My object in the note to which you take exception, was however not to claim credit for myself, but simply to protect myself from the imputation of having quoted without acknowledgment from your work.
Some of my readers would assuredly have noticed the coincidences in my book & in the “Antiquity of Man”,17 & more particularly, in the face of the note to p. 11. of your work, they would almost inevitably have come to the conclusion that I had borrowed from you. That note gave me, & would I think give the Public an entirely different impression from that which, as it appears, you intended to convey.
As regards the letter to which you refer & which you think I ought to have quoted, I can only say that I would willingly have printed our correspondence, in my preface, if I had felt authorised to do so.18
I really cannot see that you have any reason to complain of me, & as I have the satisfaction of feeling that this is the opinion of several of our mutual friends I cannot but hope that on further consideration you will yourself arrive at the same conclusion.19
I am very glad that you like what you have seen of the book itself, & remain, dear Sir Charles, | Yours truly | John Lubbock
w Sir C Lyell Bt.
[Enclosure 3]
53 Harley St
May 30/65.
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Dear Lubbock
My proof-sheets on the Danish Kitchen-middens & the Swis lake-dwellings are unfortunately destroyed, & I can only ascertain from the printer the exact date when they were put up in type.
They were first set up for the “Elements20 in smaller type & afterwards, when my plan of publication was changed put into larger type, that of the Antiquity of Man, before I received your first paper. They were written before you went to Denmark, as they stand now, they make the same number of pages & almost the same number of lines as at first; a few lines shorter because I abridged one page in order to make room for a note acknowledging your papers.
It was impossible for me to read & re-read Morlot’s papers, sent to me in English in his handwriting before you started for Denmark, to have a correspondence with him which I still retain & with Claparede as before stated, without hitting upon all those ost striking points to which you allude; such for example as the wild swan proving that the kitchen-middens were going on during winter (Morlot p 16), that the succession of Danish forests was synchronous with the ages of stone, bronze & iron (Morlot pp 27 & 29),21 that there was no grain or cereals etc
I told you before your book came out that I admitted that I must have seen your Danish paper & re-touched & re-worded several passages from your text but not so many as you think; I was surprised to find it so when you first called my attention to the fact. But, as I stated they were always in substance the same as now, which is quite intelligible as you say in your note just received “Of course we have neither of us any claim to originality in the matter. You might have obtained all the information in your chapter on Danish archæology from Danish sources & from Morlot’s paper.”
I fully admitted to you that you were quite right in pointing out that the coincidences in your book & mine were not caused by your copying from me. It is the manner in which you worded your note at page X & your omission to allude to the verbal & written communications on the subject which I had with you of which I complain
You say that you did not feel authorized to print what I wrote & what I said when talking with you. How you could have felt any doubt is unintelligible to me; you might have asked me if you had any hesitation & you ought to have been glad to give my explanation which would have been satisfactory to those who know me better than you do.
Mutual friends, you say, think I have no reason to complain but I feel sure that they never saw my former letter to you before they read your note at page X.22 Had they seen it they would have recommended you to insert my explanation of the true assertion in my note that my chapter was written before your first paper & they would also have suggested that you should state in the same note at page X that there was nothing on Danish archæology that we might not both have derived from common sources & that you were only anxious to show that you had not borrowed from me & not by implication to set up a claim of originality for discoveries taken without acknowledgement by me from you. Had they known all & allowed yr. note to stand as it is they would have shown themselves no friends of mine still less of yours.
C. L.
Footnotes
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Summary
Emcloses copies of correspondence concerning his dispute with John Lubbock.
Letter details
- Letter no.
- DCP-LETT-4844F
- From
- Charles Lyell, 1st baronet
- To
- Joseph Dalton Hooker
- Source of text
- Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew (JDH/2/1/14 f.323); The University of Edinburgh Centre for Research Collections (Gen. 113/3650–3, 3813–20, 3821–4)
- Physical description
- ALS 8pp C 24pp
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Also published in The Correspondence of Charles Darwin, vol. 13